Event Name: ENGL 4165 Class 04 (LSR039864)
File Saved by: Boyd Davis
Date Time: Wed October 22 2008 21:02:31
Susana Cisneros: Hola!
Crystal O'Gorman: Hey Jessy!
William Ross: sup, ENGL 4165
Amber Hinton: Hey everyone!
Erin Northey: Hello
Justin Bush: Can anyone tell me where to find the kasper articles? I looked 
online and I could get authors, but not the articles that went with them.
Erin Northey: Has anyone started Lab 2
Amber Hinton: the kasper article is in the book
Amber Hinton: or so I thought
Justin Bush: Right, but the articles for Lab 2
Erin Northey: I am having a hard time finding some articles
Amber Hinton: there are sooooo many to choose from
Amber Hinton: it's like you don't know where to start
Lori McAdams: reboot!
Amber Hinton: and we have to do 5 Erin =(
Erin Northey: there are a lot but I having trouble finding some to find
Jessica Milicevic: Hi Crystal!
Erin Northey: I know! Boo
Lori McAdams: no
Justin Bush: Ok... I was in the library today and I couldn't find the actual 
articles but I'll get it.
Crystal O'Gorman: Hey!!
Victoria James: hello
Justin Bush: Ok.. I'll e-mail you if I have further trouble. Thanks.
Susana Cisneros: need a mic
Victoria James: I don't have a microphone. :-(
Meaghan Rand: is anyone else having difficulty hearing people speaking? it's so 
choppy on my end...
Erin Northey: it sounds clear to me
Meaghan Rand: ok, it might be my headphones then. thanks!
Susana Cisneros: tks
Erin Northey: it is a classic!
Susana Cisneros: no
Jessica Milicevic: LOVE IT!!!
Susana Cisneros: I will check it out next week
Susana Cisneros: weekend
Erin Northey: any sound?
Lori McAdams: no
Jessica Milicevic: nope
Meghan Kaylor: yeah i don't hear anything
Amber Hinton: no
Anna Bisanar: Nope, not getting any.
Ann Marie Wedgworth: I can't hear the trailer
Crystal O'Gorman: no sound
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: no sound
Susana Cisneros: there is not sound
Victoria James: I pulled up the vid on youtube
Michael DeCoulaz: Yes, But isn't Audrey Hepburn lovely?
Lori McAdams: great dress!
Erin Northey: beautiful!
Erin Northey: Istn't it taught or learned when growing up?
Crystal O'Gorman: also through your associations..such as academics
Crystal O'Gorman: They wanted to depict them as unintellectual in BUGS situation
Erin Northey: LOVE IT!
Victoria James: can we pull it up since we're online?
Tanji Marshall: Crystal: You are correct...school plays a large role in 
socializing students to the prestige norms - especially with students from 
marginalized cultures.
Crystal O'Gorman: Isn't that how you learn you heteroglossic abilities?
Michael DeCoulaz: I like the bugs bunny where he pretends he's an irish cop 
after Rocky who looks like Edward G. Robinson.
Ann Marie Wedgworth: As Andy's voice became more cultured, an new character was 
introduced, Gomer Pyle.
Tanji Marshall: Crystal: I think it is how we learn heteroglossic abilities. We 
also become sort of "bi-lingual" through the process.
Victoria James: ha! good
Crystal O'Gorman: thats very true
Erin Northey: I feel like I'm in a Verizon commerical... Can you hear me now??
Susana Cisneros: this is so interesting because when I was growing up bugs bunny 
had a very different accent. (I am from Argentina)
Amber Hinton: Yeah, when I studied in Spain, shows dubbed into Spanish like 
Family Matters (Steve Urkel) always had weird accents. 
Crystal O'Gorman: My husband says Mickey mouse and friends had zulu and suweto 
accents in SA
Tanji Marshall: It's been stopped for a while in my school.
Erin Northey: I watched Fresh Prince when I was in Spain. Will Smith just isn't 
as funny in spanish
Amber Hinton: yeah it isn't
Lori McAdams: I saw classic Star Trek in Japanese. Lt. Uhura had a high squeaky 
voice.
Amber Hinton: I watched it too Erin . 
Jessica Milicevic: I had to read it in 9th grade and hated it bc the language 
was too difficult to understand
Jessica Milicevic: I agree
William Ross: I hate when authors slur spellings like that
Lori McAdams: the speech is marked
Erin Northey: When was it written again? I never had to read it.
Meghan Kaylor: i actually think it is neat because it makes you hear the way 
they are saying it, to me it puts you in context
Susana Cisneros: did anybody read Cormac McCarthy? Blood Meridian
Crystal O'Gorman: Uncle Tom's Cabin can be difficult b/c of its written dialect 
as well
Erin Northey: no
Jessica Milicevic: It makes it difficult but if you can get used to it, it adds 
to to the plot anmd makes you feel like your really in that time period
Susana Cisneros: or Suttree
Melanie Runser: the trend in lit ficion now is too show through diction & syntax 
not misspellings
Susana Cisneros: that is hard
Jessica Milicevic: Melanie did you get my email about the project?
Melanie Runser: from a few days ago?
Jessica Milicevic: yesterday I think. Do you lik the idea?
Melanie Runser: It seems all right to me
Jessica Milicevic: ok!
Jessica Milicevic: great great great book
Jessica Herbin: i just watched the movie of this
Erin Northey: oprah did the movie
Jessica Milicevic: read the book, you'l love it
Jessica Herbin: ok i will im lookin for a new book to read
Victoria James: it's a sentence w/o a verb
Anna Bisanar: Lee Smith used to be married to one of my poetry professors at UNC
Melanie Runser: which one?
Erin Northey: it was done in To Kill a Mocking Bird too
Boyd Davis: ooh perfect example
Anna Bisanar: which professor?
Melanie Runser: yes
Meghan Kaylor: and in Huck Finn
Anna Bisanar: James Seay
Boyd Davis: I hadn't thought about Seay, can you talk to tht
Ann Marie Wedgworth: Chaucer should be read aloud.
Erin Northey: I can't understand it if I have to read it by myself
Boyd Davis: wild meat sand the bully burgers
Erin Northey: ?
Crystal O'Gorman: Yes..Chaucer has to be..Canterbury Tales
Tanji Marshall: How do your students read it aloud without having a sense of the 
style and movement of the language? Do you find the students in "incorrect" 
places?
Jessica Milicevic: Chaucer is SO difficult unless you read it aloud
Amber Hinton: When I read Canterbury Tales we never read it aloud 
Amber Hinton: :-/
Anna Bisanar: One of my professors made us memorize and recite the foreward in 
the original English.
Jessica Milicevic: The professor should read it aloud
Jessica Milicevic: after a while they'll get it
Amber Hinton: I read it in high school...but I got it..
Meaghan Rand: I think it takes several times reading aloud and deconstructing 
the language and different meaning, the context, etc. I was just thinking of a 
Shakespeare example.
Erin Northey: I Aunt teaches those classic novels and she can repeat it...it 
sounds so nice when she says it
Crystal O'Gorman: It helps you get a better feel for the character..our book has 
an introduction to readin in Old English dialects
Jessica Milicevic: the words are written exactly how they sound. Ex: Here= Heer 
William Ross: pardon my french, it ain't like how they speak it in paris
Anna Bisanar: Haaaaaa
Erin Northey: Shakespeare is hard to read
Susana Cisneros: jajajajaja
William Ross: jajajaja <---- hahahaha
Amber Hinton: I would always cheat with Shakespeare 
Ann Marie Wedgworth: I had to recite Jaberwocky in a Marilyn Monroe accent, it 
was hard, but the story was the same. 
Amber Hinton: and read it online in modern English
Erin Northey: I'm with you Amber
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: I find this is percisely the reason such works have to 
be listened to aloud. For example a CD recording. This is especially important 
if the readers are non native speakers.
Susana Cisneros: William in spanish you laugh with the j 
Crystal O'Gorman: Thats like the Sweden article
William Ross: I know, it;s so cool
Jessica Herbin: that was a good book
Erin Northey: I agree
Jessica Herbin: Their Eye's Were watching God
Jessica Milicevic: love it
Susana Cisneros: that is beautiful
Tanji Marshall: Victoria....You make an excellent point. Hurston made a point of 
getting in the reader's face to connect them to her as well as to make a 
statement to the times - Renaissance - dealing with controlling patrons. She is 
marvelous
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: What about Forrest Gump?
Jessica Milicevic: perfect!
Tanji Marshall: Love Forrest Gump!!!
Victoria James: a box of chocolates sounds good right about now--ha
Erin Northey: I am reading a Tree Grows in Brooklyn and I've notice the language 
in that book too
Victoria James: tropical
Victoria James: thunder
Susana Cisneros: I felt asleep 4 time trying to see Forest Gump
Jessica Milicevic: hahaha love it! Tropic thunder
Susana Cisneros: it wasn't fun... at the beginning...
Tanji Marshall: I haven't actually seen it. I think I am going to try.
Erin Northey: haven't seen it
Crystal O'Gorman: I have not seen it
Victoria James: saw the previews
William Ross: we were too busy watching "Beverly Hills Chihuahua"
Veletta Southerland: I think Forrest Gump is good from begining to end.
Jessica Herbin: lol
Sarah Madding: nice william!
Ann Marie Wedgworth: I am with you William!
Erin Northey: that is sad William
Erin Northey: lol
Sarah Madding: hahahaha
Amber Hinton: lol
Ann Marie Wedgworth: What about White Chicks...the opposite of Tropical Thunder
Susana Cisneros: now I think that Forrest Gump is fun... but when you don't 
understand the culture it is different
Jessica Milicevic: yes! white chicks is perfect
Crystal O'Gorman: I was just thinking White Chicks..LOL!!!
William Ross: blackface
Susana Cisneros: ????
Ann Marie Wedgworth: The movie is okay...there is a stereo type of a mean 
dog...took granddaughter
Jessica Milicevic: ???
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: Remember talking like "valley girls" in the 1980's
Veletta Southerland: What about Slingblade with Billy Bob Thornton.
Tanji Marshall: The problem with movies like Tropical Thunder and Beverly 
Hills...is that it goes beyond stereotyping with the language and message as to 
suggest that to be Black means that language behaves in a monolithic way.
Anna Bisanar: oh my gosh, Slingblade is amazing.
William Ross: "Why would I speak spanish?"
Jessica Milicevic: Tanja, you are so right
William Ross: "hello, you are a chihuahua miha"
Jessica Milicevic: its a thin line to walk bw funny and offensive
Sarah Madding: prof
Veletta Southerland: I think because Boyd sounds like it could be a last name.
Susana Cisneros: William what do you mean by chihuahua miha?
Victoria James: lol
Tanji Marshall: Jessica...I agree. The line is thin between funny and offensive. 
For me it depends on who's trying to be funny and what their motives may be.
William Ross: that's a quote from the BHC trailer that I thought could apply to 
language sterotyping
Victoria James: motives are very important
Erin Northey: I notice that at school do I call my administration by their last 
names or when we are out of school by their first names?
Michael DeCoulaz: Davis Kyo Soo Nim in Korean
Susana Cisneros: William maybe it does... I am not sure... I didn't see it.
Victoria James: "b"?
Boyd Davis: BICS
Victoria James: razor blades?
Victoria James: hahah
Erin Northey: ol
Erin Northey: lol
Veletta Southerland: Is it kind of like conversational Spanish?
Ann Marie Wedgworth to All Presenters: Is this used in English?
Lori McAdams: courtesy words, & to buy things with?
Victoria James: not really
Crystal O'Gorman: thats what I was thinking
Victoria James: conversational spanish is positive politeness
Victoria James: BICS is more negative politeness
Veletta Southerland: Oh
Victoria James: impersonal
Victoria James: that's what i think
Meaghan Rand: can you explain BICS and negative/positive politeness?
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: German has two different you forms to show age or 
social standing
Erin Northey: like in English to someone younger you might say hey but to 
someone older you would say hello
Amber Hinton: that's a good comparison
Melissa Pierre-Louis: vous is to show respect
Boyd Davis: that is
Boyd Davis: a good one
Melissa Pierre-Louis: tu is to someone who is your age or familiar with you
Crystal O'Gorman: usted for formal
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: It is du (informal) and Sie (formal) in German and 
people are extremely insulted if you use the wrong one.
Victoria James: i used to say "tu" to my professor-- just cuz it was easier to 
say
Tanji Marshall: What's interesting about young people now - at least those I 
work with, they do not switch up like they used to. Respect seems to be an 
earned "thing" not necessarily understood based on age. My students use 'hey' 
across the board for teachers and peers.
Amber Hinton: lol
Crystal O'Gorman: tu is informal
Sarah Madding: Lina do you used usted?
Victoria James: in French and English
Michael DeCoulaz: more is the pity
Meaghan Rand: Tanji, I just had this discussion today with a high school 
student, who in an email, used the greeting "hey" instead of a more formal 
greeting. This is especially interesting b/c she's taking an online class and 
has never met the professor in person.
Erin Northey: I teach 4th graders and my students say hey a lot too I think it 
is something learned but as students go further through school. parents also 
play a role in that
Stephanie Cooper: Absolutely!
Ann Marie Wedgworth: One of my professors has instructed my class to address him 
formally, never with anything informal.
Tanji Marshall: Erin...I agree. Parents do not seem to require the linguistic 
leveling to show their children the difference between friends and adults.
Crystal O'Gorman: mine too
Crystal O'Gorman: lol
Erin Northey: lol
Sarah Madding: It is hard though when coworkers are much older and they want me 
to just call them by their first name. It seems so WRONG!Q
Tanji Marshall: Teachers have problems with the casual nature of students' 
language and falsely accuse them of being disrespectful. We misunderstand what 
is happening in language these days.
Victoria James: i guess some try to just nip it in the bud
Boyd Davis: do you want me to post this textchat again this week?
Amber Hinton: I can never switch to calling someone older by their first name. 
Growing up, even when adults insisted on first names, I was never allowed
Amber Hinton: Sure
Anna Bisanar: I have a hard time not answering a question asked by someone older 
than me with "Yes ma'am" or "No Sir".
Crystal O'Gorman: The majority of my coworkers are older than me Sarah and it 
took me a while to get use to it
Amber Hinton: me too Anna
Victoria James: if you deem it unacceptable then it doesn't require an 
admonishment to accompany it
Sarah Madding: I was never allowed either. It just doesn't feel right!
Tanji Marshall: Amber, I have similar problems. If a person is significantly 
older than me, I will use formal register.
Lori McAdams: no sound
Ann Marie Wedgworth: I would like you to post it.
Melissa Pierre-Louis: i'll just type
Michael DeCoulaz: Part of our job is to prepare students for real life. The 
inability to recognize who they should address respectfully, could cost them 
opportunities.
Erin Northey: I think that just shows respect
Melissa Pierre-Louis: lol
Tanji Marshall: Dr. Boyd, will you be putting the powerpoint on the website?
Boyd Davis: si
Justin Bush: Gracias
Boyd Davis: de nada
Tanji Marshall: Michael...I agree. I spend a lot of time talking to my students 
about language use.
Melissa Pierre-Louis: in french I find it interesting that over time the 
informal becomes formal
Erin Northey: me too
Melissa Pierre-Louis: when you say je t'aime (i love you) that's the informal 
way of saying it
Melissa Pierre-Louis: but that's the most popular way you'll hear
Kristopher Majak: I agree with Michael. I think that students need to address 
their elders appropriately. If nothing else, it teaches them about respect for 
authority.
Amber Hinton: I agree Kristopher
Erin Northey: because you usually only say i love you too someone you are very 
familiar with
Amber Hinton: very true Erin
Melissa Pierre-Louis: that's true! lol
Michael DeCoulaz: The point I was trying to make is that we do not have to agree 
with all the rules but we need to teach our students to navigatye through the 
system.
Ann Marie Wedgworth: I agree Mike.
Tanji Marshall: Kristopher...For many students, their elders are not like elders 
that we're used to. Their elders are much younger than our elders and the way 
they interact with "elders" is very casually. They learn a different meaning for 
what an elder is and how to interact with them.
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: I agree with Micheal and Kristopher too. This is part 
of learning the language of prestige
Erin Northey: I agree with you Michael
Susana Cisneros: yes
Crystal O'Gorman: yes
Victoria James: it's enriching
Jessica Milicevic: Its all in the tone of voice
Melissa Pierre-Louis: all in the tone
Crystal O'Gorman: definitely
Erin Northey: I do that with my boyfriend and what he is wearing :)
Jessica Milicevic: my husband does that too
Susana Cisneros: the tone of voice plus common sense and personality
Melissa Pierre-Louis: my mom doe sthat ALL the time
Erin Northey: lol
Meghan Kaylor: that segment reminded me of a jeff foxworthy joke, 'how can men 
tell they are trained...because a woman will say is it warm in here, and they'll 
get up and open a window or door...
Jessica Milicevic: hahaha
Melissa Pierre-Louis: *does that
Boyd Davis: jeff foxworthy is funny
Erin Northey: here's your sign
Meghan Kaylor: yup
Tanji Marshall: Jessica...does it make you angry or do you appreciate it?
Kristopher Majak: Tanji, I understand that at home students are used to speaking 
informally to their "elders". However, as Michael pointed out, this informality 
is not accepted everywhere and can cost them opportunities later in life. 
Crystal O'Gorman: Canterbury like Marlowe's hometown
Tanji Marshall: Meghan, that's funny. I need to get to work on my husband. He 
never gets up when I make those types of implicatures.
Meghan Kaylor: well apparently jeff foxworthy thinks we have them trained, lol
Jessica Milicevic: Tanja, sometimes I appreciate it and sometimes Im like "Ugh! 
Just tell me I look pretty!"
Meghan Kaylor: lol
Anna Bisanar: So makes things sound less threatening and direct.
Victoria James: warshburn
Victoria James: lol
Erin Northey: I wish...then I wouldn't work so hard
Meghan Kaylor: i don't really like reading between the lines either
Michael DeCoulaz: So, it's like that?
Ann Marie Wedgworth: Using So makes me feel like I am being interrogated--more 
threatening.
Crystal O'Gorman: my grandma says warsh
Meaghan Rand: I agree Ann Marie
Amber Hinton: so does my dad!!!
Jessica Milicevic: haha mine says winder not window
Tanji Marshall: Kristopher....I agree totally. The inappropriate use of language 
is costly. We, as teachers, have to do our part to prepare as best we can and 
explain to our students why the language is important. We have to value their 
language use, and help them add to their repertoire.
Meghan Kaylor: so my father, my grandmother, his whole side of the family, etc, 
etc
Veletta Southerland: I feel that most of the time people use "so" as a negative.
Meghan Kaylor: *** does
Lori McAdams: so-so
Tanji Marshall: My mother says warsh sometimes too.
Erin Northey: my grandmother says it too
Tanji Marshall: What about hursh? Does it exist out there as well?
Sarah Madding: open ended questions... so...
Anna Bisanar: Really??? I always use so to make things sound less direct and 
threatening.
Amber Hinton: lol I don't think
Victoria James: lol
Meghan Kaylor: i brought that up with my dad when i was at home last, and he 
asked me how do i say it, and i said 'wash' and he laughed he was like, 'oh' 
because he says warsh
Veletta Southerland: nasal piedmont
Jessica Milicevic: my grandma puts an "er" instead of "ow"
on everything- piller, winder, 
Stephanie Cooper: Madea!
Jessica Milicevic: So sounds accusatory sometimes
Erin Northey: might could
Crystal O'Gorman: all depends on context
Michael DeCoulaz: You're very optimistic.
Ann Marie Wedgworth: Yes, Jessica, it does!
Erin Northey: my students use it instead of periods in there writing
Tanji Marshall: I had a discussion with my students on tone and mood using this 
very thing...'so'....'no' etc. My students loved it because they called out all 
of the ways they used these words along with the appropriate facials for 
emphasis.
Susana Cisneros: so...
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: "so" can be used like "well"
Sarah Madding: LAB 2...
Tanji Marshall: Are you posting the powerpoint on the website?
Jessica Herbin: i thought it was due tonite
Jessica Milicevic: susana Im going to read those arts soon
William Ross: so, lab 2...
Sarah Madding: I can't find any articles
Tanji Marshall: Thank you!
Susana Cisneros: I learn a lot about "so" so I will be able to use it.
Meaghan Rand: lol william
Erin Northey: so...
Sarah Madding: do you have any advice
Victoria James: tanji?
Crystal O'Gorman: lol
Justin Bush: Sarah... I'm in the library now. 
Sarah Madding: articles
Justin Bush: if i find a journal i'll email our group at least...
Veletta Southerland: I'll email ya!
Sarah Madding: are you finding any in there?
Sarah Madding: THANKS!
Justin Bush: I'm bout to look again.
Jessica Milicevic: Do we need to sue vocab?
Jessica Milicevic: use
Justin Bush: Send me your e-mail again 
Sarah Madding: sue.. hahaha
Crystal O'Gorman: everyone in group 6..check our wiki tomorrow for Group project 
time line
Ann Marie Wedgworth: This was a great class, thank you.
Erin Northey: I'm having trouble finding articles
Crystal O'Gorman: I am working on it now
Lina Warren: Grads have to read 5 bibliographies, and compare two or three?
Susana Cisneros: oki doki Crystal
William Ross: oh shit, group 6 has a wiki?
Sarah Madding: I can't find them electronically 
Sarah Madding: how do we do that
Susana Cisneros: Yes william
Amber Hinton: grads have to read 5 and do 5
Jessica Herbin: a lot of them aren't electronic or ull ahve to pay for them
Justin Bush: Neither could I
Crystal O'Gorman: just sign up online through wetpaint
Sarah Madding: can you say how to do that again
Sarah Madding: ?
Justin Bush: which is why i'm here. I'm about to look right now
Jessica Herbin: i ddin't the library said she could get it from another 
university
Meghan Kaylor: the paper is three pages correct? even for grad students?
Amber Hinton: I believe so
Meghan Kaylor: great, thanks
Erin Northey: can you put these directions on your webpage?
Amber Hinton: good suggestion!
Erin Northey: where to find the articles
Jessica Herbin: i think u should go to the library webpage and type in the 
article....but sometimes they might have that author but the years will be 
different
Jessica Milicevic: Im going to check into the wiki tonight Crys
Boyd Davis: how to find in library
Ethel McCauley-Wiesecke: night ya'll
Jessica Milicevic: bye everyone! group 6 check in!!!!
Crystal O'Gorman: k..I will be about an hour before its all posted
Jessica Milicevic: ok lovie
Crystal O'Gorman: it
Michael DeCoulaz: Goodnight, all.
Jessica Herbin: bye
Crystal O'Gorman: Night!
Victoria James: nite
Lina Warren: good night
Meaghan Rand: bye everyone!
Susana Cisneros: chau